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tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 12th, 2006 11:31 am (UTC) (link)

Re: I miss this sort of behaviour...

That's an interesting conundrum - the environmental risk from rubbish all over the place vs the public risk of having handy receptacles for extremist explosives.

Oh, hang on.. we know how bad the rubbish problem is. We don't know what the likelihood of terrorists using rubbish bins for bombs is. And then there's the *gasp* chance that they might just use something else to put their bombs in (because, you know, every second person is a terrorist these days - it being the new black and all).

*sigh*

I hate the culture of fear.
notabouthim From: notabouthim Date: February 12th, 2006 11:39 am (UTC) (link)

Re: I miss this sort of behaviour...

ahh, actually, in London it's a bit different.

a) there isn't really a culture of fear. It's more like "ok, well, this shit happens, we'll just get on with it". 30+ years of bombs actually going off will do that to you. People living in Israel, I understand, are pretty similar.

b) it was after the IRA had put bombs in the second or third rubbish bin (which had then shrapnelled the crowd nearby) that they all got taken down in the central city area. They're still there on the outskirts, where there are fewer people (and, I suspect, fewer tourists).
tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 12th, 2006 11:43 am (UTC) (link)

Re: I miss this sort of behaviour...

a) I get that.

b) So where did the IRA start putting their bombs when the rubbish bins were taken away? And were any less people hurt by shrapnel?

c) (Because adding an extra is So Much Fun!) In this age of camera surveillance 24/7 everywhere, you'd think they could put the bins back. 'Sides, I hear the terrorists are more into big impressive bombings these days, them being the new black.*

* I so shouldn't have read that Auckland magazine yesterday..
llearch From: llearch Date: February 12th, 2006 12:09 pm (UTC) (link)

Re: I miss this sort of behaviour...

a) This doesn't mean the govt doesn't want to create a culture of fear, mind. They try. Not necessarily with the big T, but also with "your kids won't be safe" and like hysteria.

b) Around people.

No, wait, that was someone else...

c) It's not everywhere - just almost. Besides, if it takes them more than a month to review all the tapes and figure out what went on *now*, what would adding more cameras do?

Admittedly that's not an argument that appears to hold much weight in the current political climate - but then, politics is a pile of bollocks anyway .


Bread and circuses. Bread and circuses. *sigh*

d) having bins doesn't create a climate of *using* them. Oddly enough, despite there being bins outside the tube stations in sarf lunnen, people still drop rubbish all over the streets.


*cough* that's probably enough bile, again, tho....
tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 12th, 2006 12:50 pm (UTC) (link)

Re: I miss this sort of behaviour...

I feel guilty if I drop something in the street and don't pick it up.

I always blamed my Mum* for that but apparently it's a cultural thing. you, being a kiwi in London, probably have a clearer idea of how we get trained not to litter.

*My Mum is pom in NZ, so she got her training there. Weird.
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tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 12th, 2006 02:52 pm (UTC) (link)

Cool

So, um, what's the technical solution to aikidoka who drink a lot and therefore have a pungent and tangy miasma when they sweat?

Also, slippery wrists. Yick. Please fix with tech.
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tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 12th, 2006 03:34 pm (UTC) (link)

*giggle*

The slip factor is secondary to the ick factor. I suppose chalk would work.

Thinking ok, tech solution to how one requests that another person chalk their wrists so I don't have to feel their ickiness?
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