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tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 1st, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC) (link)

Re: Fear my facty goodness

I think saying "Women.. (anything)" is getting worryingly close to doing exactly what women have been jumping up and down about all this time - that is, assuming the trends indicate individual viewpoints about a group.

A woman does not have to be an engineer to be successful. Being a stay-at-home mum unpaid is just as successful if that person sees it as so.

I understand what you're saying and to an extent I agree that social engineering is necessary. But whether or not I can wield a spanner, make more money than you, spell 'anecdote' correctly or tell the difference between people and dogs, does not dictate my success as a person.

I do.
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tatjna From: tatjna Date: February 1st, 2006 03:59 pm (UTC) (link)

Re: Fear my facty goodness

Different paradigms at opposite ends of the scale.

The problem with the measurement by participation thing is that it fails to take into account individual choice and the reasons for that individual choice.

I know that life would be easier for policy makers if we were androgynous and asexual (they'd love me oh yes they would), but we aren't. And assuming that providing equal opportunities will bring *insert minority here* flocking in to those fields is fallacious. Sadly for the policy makers again.

Lots of women leave bridge clubs because of the attitudes of the old biddies who run them too.

Perhaps a measure other than participation would be more likely to field an accurate result?
butt0ns From: butt0ns Date: February 1st, 2006 04:33 pm (UTC) (link)

Re: Fear my facty goodness

I would be interested in reading your source for saying a large proportion of women science students leave science because of the attitudes of the elder science community.
I'm not arguing with you... I'm just interested.
As a woman science student I've not encountered any negative attitudes which would make me want to leave. I just presumed that women leave science because they want to go breed, and a PhD is a 'waste' of at least 3 good fertile years.
From: russiandolls Date: February 1st, 2006 07:40 pm (UTC) (link)

Re: Fear my facty goodness

Whereas I see breeding as a waste of three good research years, which is why I'm starting my PhD in Chemistry next month, breeding can wait....
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